Comments on: Grading The Captains And Predicting The Future http://canescountry.com/blog/2008/09/18/grading-the-captains-and-predicting-the-future/ News and Views about the Carolina Hurricanes and the NHL Thu, 08 Jan 2009 17:57:34 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.6 By: A Captain Without A Letter: Part III : Canes Country http://canescountry.com/blog/2008/09/18/grading-the-captains-and-predicting-the-future/#comment-154502 A Captain Without A Letter: Part III : Canes Country Fri, 03 Oct 2008 11:00:17 +0000 http://canescountry.com/blog/?p=1451#comment-154502 [...] and look at the league’s future letter-winners. We’re on the final 10 — here’s Part 1 and Part 2. I’m glad we went alphabetically with us, because we have a new captain in [...] [...] and look at the league’s future letter-winners. We’re on the final 10 — here’s Part 1 and Part 2. I’m glad we went alphabetically with us, because we have a new captain in [...]

]]> By: Captains Log, Part II : Canes Country http://canescountry.com/blog/2008/09/18/grading-the-captains-and-predicting-the-future/#comment-154167 Captains Log, Part II : Canes Country Tue, 30 Sep 2008 03:48:13 +0000 http://canescountry.com/blog/?p=1451#comment-154167 [...] Here’s the second installment in our three-part look at the league’s captains and who the future leaders of the league may be. Part 1 can be found here. [...] [...] Here’s the second installment in our three-part look at the league’s captains and who the future leaders of the league may be. Part 1 can be found here. [...]

]]> By: Cory http://canescountry.com/blog/2008/09/18/grading-the-captains-and-predicting-the-future/#comment-153321 Cory Sun, 21 Sep 2008 00:22:30 +0000 http://canescountry.com/blog/?p=1451#comment-153321 Repent ... I said "take it from a Lavalette." That's my last name. His is Laviolette. So it's easy for me to remember the spelling. Repent … I said “take it from a Lavalette.” That’s my last name. His is Laviolette. So it’s easy for me to remember the spelling.

]]> By: repenttokyo http://canescountry.com/blog/2008/09/18/grading-the-captains-and-predicting-the-future/#comment-153303 repenttokyo Sat, 20 Sep 2008 17:00:32 +0000 http://canescountry.com/blog/?p=1451#comment-153303 Cory: why would it be taken from Lavalette? Laviolette means 'the violet' in french, it's not uncommon. Cory: why would it be taken from Lavalette? Laviolette means ‘the violet’ in french, it’s not uncommon.

]]> By: Bubba http://canescountry.com/blog/2008/09/18/grading-the-captains-and-predicting-the-future/#comment-153236 Bubba Fri, 19 Sep 2008 20:40:33 +0000 http://canescountry.com/blog/?p=1451#comment-153236 This is an interesting discussion. Being a captain means different things to different people. I can see Faux's point. In my opinion, making a youngster like Crosby a captain kind of takes away from the intended purpose of the position. I think they made him captain just so they could claim he was the youngest ever and pad his resume a bit, but that is just my opinion. I also think it is hard to grade a captain. When a team wins the Cup, it's a no brainer that they probably had a good captain, but how do you judge a good captain on a bad team? Is he a good leader? Does he keep out of trouble? There could be a lot to take into consideration. Wylde- I was granted access to practice tomorrow, but as Murphy's Law would have it, I have a family obligation and can't attend. Figures doesn't it? I do have a related announcement that I will make in a posting as soon as I get a chance later today though. (looks at my watch and notices that the day is about over...) This is an interesting discussion. Being a captain means different things to different people. I can see Faux’s point. In my opinion, making a youngster like Crosby a captain kind of takes away from the intended purpose of the position. I think they made him captain just so they could claim he was the youngest ever and pad his resume a bit, but that is just my opinion.

I also think it is hard to grade a captain. When a team wins the Cup, it’s a no brainer that they probably had a good captain, but how do you judge a good captain on a bad team? Is he a good leader? Does he keep out of trouble? There could be a lot to take into consideration.

Wylde- I was granted access to practice tomorrow, but as Murphy’s Law would have it, I have a family obligation and can’t attend. Figures doesn’t it?

I do have a related announcement that I will make in a posting as soon as I get a chance later today though. (looks at my watch and notices that the day is about over…)

]]> By: marc http://canescountry.com/blog/2008/09/18/grading-the-captains-and-predicting-the-future/#comment-153234 marc Fri, 19 Sep 2008 20:20:24 +0000 http://canescountry.com/blog/?p=1451#comment-153234 Swenk - I agree. Different teams give the C out for different reasons. Because they are the only ones who are allowed to talk to refs, it is given to the player who knows how to work them. Messier was given the C in NY for obvious reasons. Some are the "let my play speak for my leadership" type of guys, like Gretzky. Then there are locker room guys, like I could imagine Chelios being. Different teams need different types of leadership. Some teams / coaches give it away with too little thought. Swenk - I agree. Different teams give the C out for different reasons. Because they are the only ones who are allowed to talk to refs, it is given to the player who knows how to work them. Messier was given the C in NY for obvious reasons. Some are the “let my play speak for my leadership” type of guys, like Gretzky. Then there are locker room guys, like I could imagine Chelios being. Different teams need different types of leadership. Some teams / coaches give it away with too little thought.

]]> By: wylde4canes http://canescountry.com/blog/2008/09/18/grading-the-captains-and-predicting-the-future/#comment-153231 wylde4canes Fri, 19 Sep 2008 19:32:57 +0000 http://canescountry.com/blog/?p=1451#comment-153231 Sorry for the shorthand repent! So Bubba, are you gonna have credentials to get into the practice tomorrow, or are we gonna have to rely on Captain Obvious over at LSB? I can already see the next entry, "Players Put on Skates Prior to Taking The Ice" Sorry for the shorthand repent!

So Bubba, are you gonna have credentials to get into the practice tomorrow, or are we gonna have to rely on Captain Obvious over at LSB?

I can already see the next entry, “Players Put on Skates Prior to Taking The Ice”

]]> By: Swenk http://canescountry.com/blog/2008/09/18/grading-the-captains-and-predicting-the-future/#comment-153230 Swenk Fri, 19 Sep 2008 18:58:05 +0000 http://canescountry.com/blog/?p=1451#comment-153230 Faux, I disagree with your statements. In most cases the C is worn by the best leader on and off the ice. Exceptions are guys like Jagr and Yashin. Some teams give the C as part of the contract with the player. Remember, on the ice the guys with letters are supposed to be the only ones to talk to the Refs and linesmen. Often times the C is not the best player on the ice, but the best character for the room. I agree that the C sets the tempo and mood on/off ice. Modano was stripped of the C 'cause he was going thru a nasty divorce and wasn't able to be THE presence off the ice, or in the room. Gretzky got the C for his leadership off the ice, not for his stats on the ice. Every now and again the great players are also the great leaders....Yzerman, Sakic, Lidstrom, Francis..... Staal has been our best player for a few years now, but it wasn't until last year that he became on of our best leaders. Remember the change in his eyes when he was on the ice/bench after Hot Rod went down? Faux,
I disagree with your statements. In most cases the C is worn by the best leader on and off the ice. Exceptions are guys like Jagr and Yashin. Some teams give the C as part of the contract with the player.
Remember, on the ice the guys with letters are supposed to be the only ones to talk to the Refs and linesmen.
Often times the C is not the best player on the ice, but the best character for the room. I agree that the C sets the tempo and mood on/off ice.
Modano was stripped of the C ’cause he was going thru a nasty divorce and wasn’t able to be THE presence off the ice, or in the room.
Gretzky got the C for his leadership off the ice, not for his stats on the ice. Every now and again the great players are also the great leaders….Yzerman, Sakic, Lidstrom, Francis…..
Staal has been our best player for a few years now, but it wasn’t until last year that he became on of our best leaders. Remember the change in his eyes when he was on the ice/bench after Hot Rod went down?

]]> By: Mateo http://canescountry.com/blog/2008/09/18/grading-the-captains-and-predicting-the-future/#comment-153229 Mateo Fri, 19 Sep 2008 18:49:16 +0000 http://canescountry.com/blog/?p=1451#comment-153229 Well... I think more than anything... it's having one player or (if you want to count the Alternates) a small group of players who have a mandate from the coaching staff and the organization to be the "go to" for other players.... wether it's for advice, leadership, or whatever.... Or in some cases a captain or alternate might say something in the locker room that may hold a little more weight with the other players than it would if one of the coaching staff were to say it... So there is something to it.... Well… I think more than anything… it’s having one player or (if you want to count the Alternates) a small group of players who have a mandate from the coaching staff and the organization to be the “go to” for other players…. wether it’s for advice, leadership, or whatever….

Or in some cases a captain or alternate might say something in the locker room that may hold a little more weight with the other players than it would if one of the coaching staff were to say it…

So there is something to it….

]]> By: Cory http://canescountry.com/blog/2008/09/18/grading-the-captains-and-predicting-the-future/#comment-153226 Cory Fri, 19 Sep 2008 18:38:12 +0000 http://canescountry.com/blog/?p=1451#comment-153226 Nope, that right Mateo (take it from a Lavalette). I'd disagree on the captain thing, Faux. Yes, some players are leaders w/o the C, and some are the C and not great leaders — but there is a value in having someone who wears the C and takes the reins of the team. Many C's set the tone for the locker room. I remember the players saying how diff. things were when Francis left and Brind'Amour took over the C. That's not a knock on Francis, but there is something — in many locker rooms around the league — to having that letter on your chest. Nope, that right Mateo (take it from a Lavalette).

I’d disagree on the captain thing, Faux. Yes, some players are leaders w/o the C, and some are the C and not great leaders — but there is a value in having someone who wears the C and takes the reins of the team. Many C’s set the tone for the locker room. I remember the players saying how diff. things were when Francis left and Brind’Amour took over the C. That’s not a knock on Francis, but there is something — in many locker rooms around the league — to having that letter on your chest.

]]> By: Mateo http://canescountry.com/blog/2008/09/18/grading-the-captains-and-predicting-the-future/#comment-153224 Mateo Fri, 19 Sep 2008 18:12:51 +0000 http://canescountry.com/blog/?p=1451#comment-153224 PL is Peter Laviolette (Although I probably just murdered the spelling of his name) PL is Peter Laviolette (Although I probably just murdered the spelling of his name)

]]> By: repenttokyo http://canescountry.com/blog/2008/09/18/grading-the-captains-and-predicting-the-future/#comment-153223 repenttokyo Fri, 19 Sep 2008 18:07:06 +0000 http://canescountry.com/blog/?p=1451#comment-153223 who is PL? who is PL?

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